I got into college and, of course, I was the president of the Catholic student union at Cal State, Fullerton. Of course I encouraged people there to be as liberal as possible as Catholics and, of course, I always hassled the Catholic student chaplain to be more liberal at Mass. I dared him to consecrate chocolate chip cookies at Mass one time. I said, "There's no different between bread and chocolate chip cookies. Jesus used bread just because it was handy." I hassled him and so we did do liberal things.

Meanwhile, I kept going to my Jesus freak coffeehouses. Nuns were my best friends. I was a liberal Catholic. The underground church was what I was into. It wasn't very underground, it just meant we weren't meeting in the church building. We were meeting in homes. Then my parents broke the news to me that they were moving to Phoenix, Arizona. I opted to go to Phoenix. They said I could go to Arizona State University for my last year of college. So, I gave up my position as president of the Catholic student union, and I made the transfer. But before I left for Phoenix, I met a nun - a very liberal nun. Street clothes and everything. Heavy makeup. She said, "When you move to Phoenix. I hope you discover something that's happening there." And I said "What's that?" She said, "Well, I'm not going to tell you what it is, let's see if you discover it on your own." As a liberal Catholic, I was upset that there was something happening I wasn't in touch with. I moved to Phoenix and went to school. Of course, on the second day of school, I went to the Catholic student center there and found a man lying on a couch. There were tears streaming down his cheeks and a bunch of people around him. I thought "What's this?" And I walked over and asked what was happening. Someone told me that it was nothing. He had just received the Holy Spirit, that was all. And I said, "The Holy Spirit? I know who the Holy Spirit is, but who's this on a couch with tears and everything?" And they said, "Look here's a little pamphlet you can read." I took it home then someone else gave me another book and all of a sudden, I became aware of a new movement. It was called the Charismatic movement. I found out that there were Catholics who were really getting liberal. They were becoming Pentecostals. I thought it was fascinating. I began reading booklets about Catholic Pentecostals. (This means that having an experience with Jesus is not enough. You have to be filled with the Holy Spirit. You have to experience the power of Jesus and after having received this power you might experience something called "speaking in tongues".)

In the late 60's and early 70's, there was a great emphasis on the Holy Spirit or the Charismatic movement. It was actually a new form of Pentecostalism. Let me tell you what Pentecostalism is. In the late 1800's, early 1900's (and a lot of this did happen in LA.), there were a group of Protestant Christians who were together and they wanted to experience God. They were tired of just going to church, professing to be Christian. They wanted to experience the same type of Christianity that was written about in the Bible. A group of about twenty of them got together in a house, and they decided to stay in this house and to pray, fast and to really experience God. They decided among each other that either God is real or He isn't real, and if He is real, they wanted to experience Him. So after many days of being together, suddenly they experienced such a feeling of God's presence and power that they began speaking in unknown languages. They compared this experience to what happened to Jesus' apostles after He left — together in the "upper room" on Pentecost, and they experienced this same movement of God's power. That became known as the early Pentecostal movement in the early 1900's. By 1920, it had spread to L.A. LA. became a great center of the Pentecostal movement. On Arizona street there was a very famous Pentecostal church in a warehouse. From LA., it spread all over the country. Of course, there were many denominations in this movement as a result. The Fourscore church is one of them. There is the Angelus temple in downtown LA., the home of Amy Semple McPherson who claimed to have the power of healing in the 1930's and was very popular during the Depression. After that it started cooling down. Then,